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sorry, but this would be easy (for beginners ) ...but that's not correct because it is INSERTRED and not OVERWRITED... there is NO function in OM that's doing this. greetings from "helmut" ...because if you want work with "strukturnetze" you have to keep the NET correct and not to shift the time values (how it is with pattern-map)... so you have to overwrite

dear all i'll try to code a function that overwrites the SEQ with an insert after a pattern-match... not so simple, because to calculate all the length-values in the SEQ so that there ist no "shifting" ist very.... here an easy sketch... but with a simple, so that i haven't got to calculate (beacuse all is mapped on quaternotes)... i hope anyone could CODE that... would be an interesting FUNCTION!!! using things as a NET!! compare -> seq with the function output... the you see the idea (setf seq '(e c4 -e -q q d4 -q s c4 -e. -h. q)) (setf insert '(3q c4 d4 e4 c4 d4 e4 c4 d4 -3q)) (setf insert-span (loop for i in (omn :length insert) sum (abs i))) (progn (setf new-list (loop for i in (single-events seq) with match = 0 when (pattern-matchp i '(q d4 ?)) do (setf match 1) when (= match 1) collect (abs (car (omn :length i))) into bag when (and (= match 1) (<= (sum bag) insert-span)) collect (* -1 (abs (car (omn :length i)))) else collect i )) (flatten (loop for x in new-list with match = 0 when (and (atom x) (= match 0)) collect insert and do (setf match 1) when (listp x) collect x)))

thanx... but seems to be more complicated... i'll try to code/sketch a solution

a question: in a pattern match i would like to overwrite the existing OMN sequence. that means that for the duration of the insert the original OMN-sequence is not pushed backwards. As I see it now, the OMN-values are only inserted and do not overwrite the sequence, (and not rhythmically "compensating") ... ? would be very nice! ...or i have to code it for myself an example: ;; basic omn-seq '(e c4 -e -q q c4 -q s c4 -e. q) ;; insert '(3q c4 d4 e4 c4 d4 e4 c4 d4) ;; pattern-match on (q c4) ;; result should be '(e c4 -e -q 3q c4 d4 e4 c4 d4 e4 c4 d4 -3q q c4)

i work in another way... the tools has to follow the ideas and not my ideas are "what the tools can do" ;-)

release? - would be important for next projects, and many other users :-)

... i think sometimes i'm faster when i code it for myself then to search in the library :-)

edited now :-)

...an idea to manipulate lists of pitches/rhythms by "sampling" ;;; subfunction (defun sampling-list (liste start-position seq-length) (loop repeat seq-length for cnt = start-position then (incf cnt) when (= cnt (length liste)) do (setf cnt 0) collect (nth cnt liste))) ;;; MAIN: ;;; an value-list will be sampled by start-pos-list in the length of seq-length-list (defun structural-interferences (n value-list start-pos-list seq-length-list) (let ((start-pos-list (remove (length value-list) start-pos-list :test #'<))) (loop repeat n for start-pos = 0 then (incf start-pos) for seq-length = 0 then (incf seq-length) when (= start-pos (length start-pos-list)) do (setf start-pos 1) when (= seq-length (length seq-length-list)) do (setf seq-length 0) append (sampling-list value-list (nth start-pos start-pos-list) (nth seq-length seq-length-list))))) ;;something (list-plot (structural-interferences 21 '(1 2 3 4 5) '(0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9) '(1 3 2 4 1 2 2 3 1 1 1 1)) :point-radius 1 :style :fill) ;;"self-similar" (list-plot (structural-interferences 21 '(3 2 1 5 4 2) '(2 1 0 4 3 1) '(3 2 1 5 4 2)) :point-radius 1 :style :fill)

how is it currently with the support of microtonality (omn & xml-display)? thanks for some informations andré

if you want to change VELOCITY of a technique... (defun replace-velocity-of-a-technique (omn-list &key technique velocity) (flatten (loop for i in (single-events omn-list) when (equal (car (omn :articulation i)) technique) collect (pattern-map (list (list (list '? technique) (list velocity technique))) i) else collect i))) (replace-velocity-of-a-technique '(e. c4 p tasto d4 ponte e4) :technique 'tasto :velocity 'f)

if you want to augm/dim the LENGTH of a special technique... you could use that... or extend it... (defun modify-length-of-a-technique (omn-list &key technique (factor 1) (modification 'augmentation)) (flatten (loop for i in (single-events omn-list) when (equal (car (omn :articulation i)) technique) collect (cond ((equal modification 'augmentation) (length-augmentation factor i)) ((equal modification 'diminution) (length-diminution factor i))) else collect i))) (modify-length-of-a-technique '(q d4 mf ponte e fs4 tasto -e. e g4 tasto q gs4 ponte) :technique 'ponte :factor 10 :modification 'augmentation) ;; also 'diminution

...except that makes you a fun and makes you happy - and that is just as important! added 10 minutes later so the question will be what can be better, which will be more exciting than what deep learning (or traditional algorithms) can produce. very fast then - in my opinion - the production becomes quite simple and well done, but this has nothing to do with art (if you want) - it will be the "imitation of art", also algorithmic tools pushing you in this direction - is it "music" or the simulation of "music"?. but as VON FOERSTER said: "the map is the territory"... counteracting (radical-constructivistic) the phrase "the map is not the territory"...

critical thought about this: I think in the near future this will work through "deep learning". So it is questionable how useful it is to formalize such manual and traditional "activities", such "complex rules systems" in CODE. this question generally arises in areas that focus on imitating and executing existing styles. greetings andré

you are brilliant! will it be part of the "official OM", or should i integrate it in my USER LIBRARY? regards andré

the "STEP-TO"-idea could be used more common... with other parameters...welcome to extend/develop it... for mulidimensional/multiparametrical rnd-walks (first example)? :-) ;;; FUNCTION -> same as step-to-pitch (defun reading-list-by-steps (&key steps values start) (let ((pos (car (position-item start values)))) (append (list (nth pos values)) (loop for i in steps do (setf pos (+ pos i)) when (> pos (length values)) do (setf pos (+ 0 i)) collect (nth pos values))))) ;;; EXAMPLES ;;; rnd-walk all parameters (make-omn :length (reading-list-by-steps :steps (gen-walk 4 :start 1) :values '(1/32 2/32 3/32 4/32 5/32 6/32) :start 3/32) :pitch (reading-list-by-steps :steps (gen-walk 4 :start 2) :values (expand-tonality '(b3 messiaen-mode6)) :start 'ds4) :velocity (reading-list-by-steps :steps (gen-walk 4 :start 1) :values '(pppp ppp pp p mp mf f ff fff ffff) :start 'ppp) :articulation (reading-list-by-steps :steps (gen-walk 4 :start 1) :values '(ponte tasto spicc ord pizz snap) :start 'tasto)) ;;;; separeted examples (reading-list-by-steps :steps (gen-walk 4 :start 1) :values '(pppp ppp pp p mp mf f ff fff ffff) :start 'ppp) ;; => depends on rnd-walk values (reading-list-by-steps :steps '(1 1 -1 2 2 -1 1) :values '(a b c d e f g) :start 'b) ;; => (b c d c e g f g) (reading-list-by-steps :steps '(1 1 -1 2 2 -1 1) :values '(1/32 2/32 3/32 4/32 5/32 6/32) :start 3/32) ;; => (3/32 1/8 5/32 1/8 3/16 3/32 1/16 3/32) (reading-list-by-steps :steps '(1 1 -1 2 -1) :values '(ponte tasto spicc ord pizz snap) :start 'tasto) ;; => (tasto spicc ord spicc pizz ord)

is it also possible to start at a specific pitch? (tonality-step '(c4 d4 e4 g4 a4 f4) '(1 1 -1 2 2 -1) :start 'e4)

extended idea: would be nice to do it with chords => instead of a scale, a sequence with chords... thanx a lot for such a quick developing/implementation!!

great!!!

here is a little "sketched" function STEP-TO-PITCH , perhaps OM could further develop the function... ;;; FUNCTION (defun step-to-pitch (&key steps pitches start) (let ((pos (car (position-item start pitches)))) (append (list (nth pos pitches)) (loop for i in steps ;; setting pos by add the step to pos do (setf pos (+ pos i)) ;; when pitch-range to small then reset to lowest pitch+step ;; could be a more intelligent solution when (> pos (length pitches)) do (setf pos (+ 0 i)) collect (nth pos pitches))))) ;;; EXAMPLES (step-to-pitch :steps '(1 1 -1 2 2 -1) :pitches '(c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 a4) :start 'c4) ;; => (c4 d4 e4 d4 f4 a4 g4) (step-to-pitch :steps '(1 1 -1 2 2 -1) :pitches (expand-tonality '(c4 chromatic)) :start 'c4) ;; => (c4 cs4 d4 cs4 ds4 f4 e4) (step-to-pitch :steps '(1 1 -1 2 2 -1 5) :pitches (expand-tonality '(c4 messiaen-mode6)) :start 'c4) ;; => (c4 d4 e4 d4 f4 gs4 fs4 gs4)

STEP-TO-PITCH - function ...perhaps OM could implement such a STEP-TO-PITCH function (in a more professional programming way)? ...in that way it's simple to map any/same GESTALT(S) on any/different (pitch-)MEDIAS (like pitchfields/spectral/whatelse). ...would be the shortest way to "project" (certainly in varèse-way) for example ALL MY DUCKS to whole-tone-/minor/messiane-x or on a inclined plane "pseudo-code" for this non-sense-example: -> (setf intervals (pitch-to-interval pitches-all-my-ducks)) -> (step-to-pitch intervals :tonality 'messiaen5) added 3 minutes later @stephane but - as i know - with tonality-map there sometimes "strange results" because it don't works by steps... -> look at: (tonality-map '(major) '(c4 cs4 d4 ds4 e4 f4 fs4 g4 gs4 a4 as4 b4)) => (c4 c4 d4 d4 e4 f4 f4 g4 a4 a4 a4 b4) the GESTALT-transformation makes more sense by this STEP-concept

this is probably a misunderstanding... intervals in a sense of STEPS, not as second/third/... as steps in a predefined/organized pitch/frequency-space... ;;; like that (defun interval-projection-on-pitchfield (&key pitchfield intervals (base 0)) (let ((integers (pitch-to-integer (interval-to-pitch intervals))) (base-0-integers) (centering) (pos)) (setq base-0-integers (loop for i in integers collect (+ (abs (find-min integers)) i))) (setq centering (if (evenp (find-max base-0-integers)) (/ (find-max base-0-integers) 2) (/ (1+ (find-max base-0-integers)) 2))) (loop for i in base-0-integers do (setq pos (+ i (* -1 centering) base)) when (< pos 0) do (setq pos 0) when (> pos (1- (length pitchfield))) do (setq pos (1- (length pitchfield))) collect (nth pos pitchfield)))) (interval-projection-on-pitchfield :pitchfield (expand-tonality '(c3 chromatic)) :intervals '(1 -1 2 -1 -1 -1) :base 4) ;;; => (ds3 e3 ds3 f3 e3 ds3 d3) (interval-projection-on-pitchfield :pitchfield (expand-tonality '(c3 whole-tone)) :intervals '(1 -1 2 -1 -1 -1) :base 4) ;;; => (fs3 gs3 fs3 as3 gs3 fs3 e3) (interval-projection-on-pitchfield :pitchfield (expand-tonality '(c3 major)) :intervals '(1 -1 2 -1 -1 -1) :base 4) ;;; => (f3 g3 f3 a3 g3 f3 e3) (interval-projection-on-pitchfield :pitchfield (expand-tonality '(c3 chromatic-permuted-diatonic-dorian-mixed)) :intervals '(1 -1 2 -1 -1 -1) :base 4) ;;; => (e3 f3 e3 g3 f3 e3 d3)

i'm not sure -> but interval-to-pitch works on "chromatic" only!? and not on other TONALITIES...?

short question... is there a function in OM to map an interval-list directly on a TONALITY or a SIEVE? in a way that the intervals are like steps? ..i coded that alreday for myself, but perhaps there is an OM-solution for such things? nonsense-example: (setf intervallist '(1 1 0 -2)) (setf pitches '(c4 e4 g4 b4)) => :start 'c4 => result: '(c4 e4 g4 g4 c4) thanx andré

my wish for SINGLE-EVENTS would be to add user-defined "informations" to an event -> like voice-number, oder instrument, or....